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Re: Tracks out of service

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ZachL wrote:Thanks.

How are you certain the line is out of service? That looks like a pretty nice ROW right there.

I tend to agree. I've seen videos of train movements in NY/NJ on ROW much worse looking than that. Even if they can only go 5mph on it, if it can still hold cars without derailing, it can be used for car storage. Relay cases on the signals that aren't damaged still have power going to them as well. It's possible it's a line the state owns but is leasing to a shortline to operate.
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Re: Tracks out of service

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ZachL wrote:Thanks.

How are you certain the line is out of service? That looks like a pretty nice ROW right there.
Especially considering this...
https://goo.gl/maps/BqQZTSy2ExQ2
https://goo.gl/maps/2XUXHJmJPG12
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Did a bit more research into a small failed shortline in southern Alabama that's interested me for a little while. That shortline would be the short-lived Pine Belt Southern Railroad (PBRR),which lasted from 1995 (with the purchase of the former CoG/SOU/NS line between Nuckols, AL and Hurtsboro, AL) and 2003 (when their second line, also an ex-CoG line, between Opelika, AL and LaFayette, AL was filed for abandonment with abandonment being approved in 2004). Both lines have since been torn up, but a few bits of them still remain. The railroad also rostered three different engines: PBRR 2676, PBRR 3059, and PBRR 3986. PBRR 3059 eventually found its way to the Southern Appalachia Rail Museum in Oak Ridge, TN, while the other two found their way to the SQVR. It appears that PBRR (SQVR) 2676 was dead-lined rather quickly before it was sold off and rebuilt as a GP38-3 for the South Branch Valley Rail Road in West Virginia. PBRR (SQVR) 3986 was kept in service by the SQVR, who used it for several years until it broke down and the railroad sold it off to the HMCR, who still uses it to this day.

However, the railroad's trackage was a bit weird, as it consisted of two disconnected lines. Their slightly older one, acquired in 1995, was a Central of Georgia (later SOU and NS) line that NS had chopped down to just between Nuckols, AL and Hurtsboro, AL, though it was originally built and ran all the way from Girard, AL to the Mobile Bay (however, the Conecuh Valley Railroad in the Troy, AL area operates the only remaining 12 miles of the railroad). The largest customer along this line was the US Silica Company in Hurtsboro, who generated 95% of the line's traffic with just shipments of sand from their plant. However, in 2000, the sand company lost their last customer that received sand shipments by rail, and stopped shipping along the line. As a result of loosing the vast majority of the traffic on the line, the PBRR took this line out of service that same year, before filing the line for abandonment in 2002, with abandonment being granted in 2003. PBRR 3986 had started out along this line when the railroad first started-up, but would later get transferred to their other line, which ran from Opelika, AL to Lafayette, AL.

Speaking of the second line, the railroad was able to acquire the former CoG line (later SOU and NS) between from NS in 1996. The line originally ran all the way to Roanoke, AL, but the portion between Roanoke and Lafayette was abandoned in 1982, with the north end of what would become the PBRR's line being at 2nd Avenue in LaFayette. However, the railroad interchanged with both CSX and NS in downtown Opelika, and as such, the railroad had trackage rights over the CSX WofA Subdivision between the southern end of the line at Roanoke Junction and downtown Opelika, AL. However, as the CSX dispatch for this line considered the PBRR's movement over their line to be of low priority, and as such, the railroad's trains over the CSX line would sometimes have to wait for hours at either Roanoke Junction or downtown Opelika before they could go. The railroad's business for this line actually came from the East Alabama Lumber Company and the Langly Wood Yard. However, the line went dead in 2001 after the East Alabama Lumber Company went bankrupt and was sold to another company that stopped shipping by rail, with the Langly Wood Yard swapping over to trucks for handling shipments at around the same time. Due to this inactivity, CSX eventually removed the switch at Roanoke Junction, completely cutting off the line. In 2004, the STB approved formal abandonment of the line, despite interference in the STB hearings from a few local governments hoping to turn the line into a rail trail. And on February 27, 2004, PBRR (soon to be SQVR) 3986 made one final run over the line with the engine and a few cars bound for NS. However, due to the fact that CSX had removed the switch, the PBRR had to wait a few hours for CSX to reinstall said switch, giving them time to touch-up some of the paint on the engine. A few weeks after, the line would get torn-up by a salvage company and the PBRR would be no more.

However, a few traces of both of the PBRR's lines still remain, and can even be seen on Google Maps, with the most obvious from both being the former ROW, which is still very visible for both lines on Google Maps Satellite View. But anyways, here's what I found:

"The Hurtsboro Line":
The former interchange yard with NS in Nuckols, which appears to still be owned by NS but likely hasn't seen any activity in years based on the conditions of the tracks. One of the crossbucks is also rather far back from the crossing.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3369235 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3375264 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3373627 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3373627 ... 312!8i6656
The tracks continue for almost another mile before ending in the woods, where the PBRR's abandoned section of the line begins:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.3337019 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Strong Street in Seale, AL had some evidence in the pavement of where the PBRR once had tracks, though the satellite imagery here shows that it has since been repaved:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2975103 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2973469 ... 312!8i6656

And at the next street to the west, Old Seale Highway, there was a railroad bridge over the road here, though the satellite imagery here also confirms that this is now gone too:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.297082, ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.296836, ... 312!8i6656

Bridges on US 431 over Carver Road in Seale and the PBRR's ROW:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2941492 ... 328!8i1664
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2940109 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.294402, ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2943967 ... 312!8i6656

Looks like some of the rails still remain at whatever this long-closed plant used to be further to the west in Hatchechubbee, AL:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2692648 ... a=!3m1!1e3

And further to the west in Hurtsboro, we see that some rails remain in the road at Lloyd Street:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2412143 ... 312!8i6656

Church Street to the west also retained some rails, but the road had been repaved by 2014 removing these rails in the process:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2407187 ... 328!8i1664
The railroad also crossed another abandoned CoG line just west of this former crossing, though nothing is left of the diamond now, other than the empty patch of land where it once was.

Same goes for Goolsby Street one block west:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2404197 ... 328!8i1664
Though there still remains a cut in the curb about where the railroad ran, despite it having been abandoned for almost a decade by then!
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2404085 ... 312!8i6656

Some rails peeking through the pavement at Main Street:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2402665 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2401245 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2402665 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2401732 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2401732 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2401732 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2401732 ... 312!8i6656

Some signs of rails at Daniel Street one block over. They've since been patched according to satellite view, which makes them more obvious:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2399556 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2400509 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2399097 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2397776 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2399266 ... a=!3m1!1e3
There are also these concrete foundations near the crossing, though I don't know if they are/were related to the PBRR:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2400509 ... 312!8i6656

Abandoned rails in the road at Stovall Drive:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.239178, ... 312!8i6656

Further to the west the line crossed AL 51. Surprisingly this appears to have been the only crossing along the line (if not the PBRR as a whole) to have had signals, based on the lone power connection that was left behind. This and the ROW are the only two things indicating that the PBRR once crossed here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2361406 ... 312!8i6656
The former grade and the two stop lines were also still visible back in 2007:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2362591 ... 328!8i1664

Further to the west, likely at the farthest west customer along the line, some rails remain embedded in an abandoned driveway for a long-dead plant. This is also just west of the US Silica Company, which was the line's most important customer.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2317093 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2319238 ... a=!3m1!1e3

And just a bit further west, the stumps of some bridge piers from a bridge over a stream still remain:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.2291333 ... 312!8i6656

"The LaFayette Branch":
Here's where Roanoke Junction was in Opelika, AL, where the south end of this line was:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6794126 ... a=!3m1!1e3

Further north, some rails remain in the pavement of Albright Road:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.709372, ... 312!8i6656

Some bridges over the line in LaFayette, AL on AL 50 and US 431. AL 50's bridge appears to be older than US 431's.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8828038 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8827725 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8827725 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.883088, ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8836076 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8836076 ... 312!8i6656

An old Southern Caboose and the LaFayette depot remain along the ROW further to the north in downtown LaFayette:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8978887 ... 328!8i1664

Some rails left in the road further to the north at Alabama Avenue, though satellite view shows that these have since been paved over:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8997663 ... 328!8i1664

According to Wikipedia, the north end of the line would've been about right here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9049922 ... a=!3m1!1e3

And that's all I have on the PBRR right now. If I find out anymore information about them, I may do a follow-up post.
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Re: Tracks out of service

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Not sure if this has been posted before, but here's an out of service CSX line in Nashville, TN:
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.1075829 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: Tracks out of service

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Abandoned signals on a former NS/SOU line in Pooler, GA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1012348 ... 312!8i6656

A caboose now sits on a section of the line to the west:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1205551 ... 312!8i6656
Wasn't there in 2012!
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1204465 ... 312!8i6656
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Re: Tracks out of service

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Two abandoned NS crossings with SOU signals in Savannah, GA that are right next to each other:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0672047 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0669892 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0667297 ... 312!8i6656
An active line ends right next to one of the crossings:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0671492 ... 312!8i6656

To the west:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0676705 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0703637 ... 312!8i6656

Rather new looking bridge:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0721843 ... 312!8i6656

There used to be a diamond here, the remains of which could still be seen off to the side of the tracks in 2016:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0735597 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0735597 ... 312!8i6656

Some more abandoned signals:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0750731 ... 312!8i6656
They now appear to be long gone though.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0782399 ... 312!8i6656

Street-running!
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0788606 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0796182 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0800429 ... 312!8i6656
This part of it is rather beautiful, IMO:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0800801 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0803768 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0805559 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0807372 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0807857 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0810429 ... 312!8i6656
Not sure if a train would fit under this building:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0816219 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0818934 ... 312!8i6656

The line is a bit more built-over further west, though bits of it can still be seen:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0848324 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0849693 ... 312!8i6656

The line then heads into this place, where it connects to an active NS line:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.0864433 ... 312!8i6656
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freebrickproductions wrote:Abandoned CSX crossing in Savannah, GA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1087753 ... 312!8i6656
This signal has LEDs!
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1091468 ... 312!8i6656
Weirdly enough, those signals have been renewed for an unknown reason. Maybe there is possibility of bringing the line back into service?

The signals appear to have replaced some 1960's SCL/ACL/SAL? signals.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.108777, ... 328!8i1664
By 2012, the signals had been replaced with modern Safetran equipment.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1087392 ... 312!8i6656
In 2016, the relay case had received a touch of paint, except for the top bit.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1088419 ... 312!8i6656
It's also worth pointing out that this signal received an extension for an unknown reason. However the signal may've been hit.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1093195 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.109326, ... 312!8i6656

I went digging to find any other traces of the line or crossing signals, but i could not find anything else. :Awww:
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Re: Tracks out of service

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NathanFromEngland wrote:
freebrickproductions wrote:Abandoned CSX crossing in Savannah, GA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1087753 ... 312!8i6656
This signal has LEDs!
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1091468 ... 312!8i6656
Weirdly enough, those signals have been renewed for an unknown reason. Maybe there is possibility of bringing the line back into service?

The signals appear to have replaced some 1960's SCL/ACL/SAL? signals.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.108777, ... 328!8i1664
By 2012, the signals had been replaced with modern Safetran equipment.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1087392 ... 312!8i6656
In 2016, the relay case had received a touch of paint, except for the top bit.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1088419 ... 312!8i6656
It's also worth pointing out that this signal received an extension for an unknown reason. However the signal may've been hit.
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.1093195 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.109326, ... 312!8i6656

I went digging to find any other traces of the line or crossing signals, but i could not find anything else. :Awww:
The line appears to have been a short connector between the NS and the CSX there, so that's probably why there wasn't anything else.

Here's another abandoned NS line in Georgia, this time starting near East Dublin, GA:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5427092 ... 312!8i6656

Heading east we find a pair of signals:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5602141 ... 312!8i6656

More signals:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.562889, ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5747039 ... 328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.592231, ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.5938077 ... 328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6018139 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6149903 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6375979 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6383581 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6430745 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6606576 ... 312!8i6656

This one still has a stop sign at it!
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6658966 ... 312!8i6656

Same with this one, not sure why they weren't removed:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6682154 ... 312!8i6656

More stop signs on these crossbucks, despite the line being dead:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.6945948 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7066649 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7172552 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7205804 ... 312!8i6656

Was a pretty wide crossing here:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7222393 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7218207 ... 312!8i6656
Not sure why the crossbuck was so far back on one side, didn't see any signs of a spur there.

Crossing on an intersection:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7237083 ... 312!8i6656

Some more abandoned signals:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7246327 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7249928 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7251937 ... 312!8i6656\
Certainly was an interesting set-up.

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.725803, ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7273283 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7281528 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7285886 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7285964 ... 312!8i6656

Another pair of old SOU signals, with what appear to be GRS gate mechs:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7295297 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7295247 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7301852 ... 312!8i6656

Another crossing with a far-back crossbuck on one side for an unknown reason:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7313193 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7313164 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7334464 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7722515 ... 328!8i1664

Some more signals! Some pretty new ones at that:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7744523 ... 328!8i1664
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.7745931 ... 328!8i1664

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8027257 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8181451 ... 312!8i6656

Another pair of signals:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8259779 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8261842 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8267676 ... 312!8i6656

Interesting way to position the crossbucks, kinda reminds me of a crossing in Albertville, AL:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8281414 ... 312!8i6656

https://www.google.com/maps/@32.8961532 ... 312!8i6656

This string of cars in storage mark where the line goes back into use:
https://www.google.com/maps/@32.9286184 ... a=!3m1!1e3
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