Photo Enforcement topic Red/Rail/Speed

[Robert_Gift]

...YOUR FIRST COMMENT IS IRREVERENT
the DAMN law is the law it doesnt matter if signals are malfunctioning or NOT Missouri Code - § 304.035
and in both cases the signals were activated by on track machines that DID cross the crossing many times.

Dey ain'trains. They have no right to operate grade crossing signals. They must wait for openings in traffic, just as any vehicle waiting at a stop sign to cross a street. Or they can be flagged across.

who, what, where and when were you operating a emergency vehicle and got caught by a red light camera, also if you did you proceed through the light with lights on the ticket would be voided unless it was found it was unsafe also you said THREE violations where the hell was this i bet the cameras were the redflex traffic systems those things suck :LOL

The red light camera was working properly.
It is the IDIOTS at the PRL unit which chose not to cancel #4.
Just after I won #4 in court, (for which they ate the personal service fee) I waserved citation #5, (which occurred a month before #4 went to court.)
Both videoshowed that I drove safely, that crosstraffic had stopped and there were no conflicts.

:but as far as safety check this clip out from a st louis red light camera tell me who was at fault.

I'm an emergency vehicle driver instructor. The firengine with the red signal should have yielded to thengine with the green signal. Did not see the video here, but recall that if the oncoming truck had 3M's Opticom traffic signal preemption system, we would see a red signal. So it does not mean the oncoming apparatus had a red signal. He may have had a green signal and the other three streets had red.
Thengine approaching from the left, unless its Opticom emitter captured the signal first and received the green signal, may have had a red signal.
So, it is not possible to know from the video, unless they do not have Opticom.
Why did thengine not apply its brakes after the collision? Driver panicked or froze?

[TrainmanKight]

:but as far as safety check this clip out from a st louis red light camera tell me who was at fault.

I'm an emergency vehicle driver instructor. The firengine with the red signal should have yielded to thengine with the green signal. Did not see the video here, but recall that if the oncoming truck had 3M's Opticom traffic signal preemption system, we would see a red signal. So it does not mean the oncoming apparatus had a red signal. He may have had a green signal and the other three streets had red.
Thengine approaching from the left, unless its Opticom emitter captured the signal first and received the green signal, may have had a red signal.
So, it is not possible to know from the video, unless they do not have Opticom.
Why did thengine not apply its brakes after the collision? Driver panicked or froze?

that happened at Doctor Martin Luther King Drive / North Taylor Avenue in st louis and the light was red for the approaching fire truck
http://maps.google.com/maps?hl=en&ie=UT ... 5,,1,-8.41

[Robert_Gift]

... that happened at Doctor Martin Luther King Drive / North Taylor Avenue in st louis and the light was red for the approaching fire truck...

Thanks, Train.
I wondered how they happened to have video of the collision.
I see no Opticom detectors. (Took 2 minutes to see the Googlearth image.)
T'was the oncoming firengine driver's fault since he had the red signal.
Lucky no one was killed.

[TrainmanKight]

... that happened at Doctor Martin Luther King Drive / North Taylor Avenue in st louis and the light was red for the approaching fire truck...

Thanks, Train.
I wondered how they happened to have video of the collision.
I see no Opticom detectors. (Took 2 minutes to see the Googlearth image.)
T'was the oncoming firengine driver's fault since he had the red signal.
Lucky no one was killed.

all red light cameras from American Traffic Solutions and even Redflex record to a hard drive 24/7 and the data is stored for about a month also the police/traffic dept. can look at live running video from the cameras at any given time.
thats what happens when someone runs a red light it pulls 6 seconds before the violation and records 6 seconds after the violation then it sends it remotely to the company who owns the cameras, they do a dmv check, get the violation together and send it to the police department to review the clip. The officer confirms the data and violation then the camera company sends out the notice.
so if theres a wreck unrelated to red light running the police department can request ats to pull a cip from the hard drive which is what happened here.
imo the camera on taylor Ave is probably just for surveillant as thats a Very bad part of St louis, although they might catch a lot of people running the red light down there idk.

[SantaFebuff]

a red light is a red light, the city is in it for the money mainly and safety is a plus the cameras cost money to fund them the have to catch ppl running the xing instead of hitting the gates. Its photo Enforcement thats there to aware the public of dangers on railroad crossing running

Yes. I can understand that. Perhaps, I should further explain what I had in mind.

I can see if it is a single, double, or even triple track mainline that the cameras should starting flashing people as soon as the gates start, but I have an argument for that...

Blue Island, IL:
http://www.rxrsignals.net/Illinois/A-K/ ... /Broadway/

I've sat track side and saw only four crossing activations... one caught a car still crossing the track when the signals was activated, and gates lowered manually. He did keep up the quad gate that blocked the opposing traffic lane open for the car to race across... but, if there were Red Flex cameras installed there, would it have flashed that black car? After all, it's a pretty scary crossing. Trains approach from almost every angle.

I hope you get my idea. Perhaps it's all void. Perhaps the cameras don't flash cars unless they do dodge gates... However, it would suck if someone was impatient (do keep in mind trains on the crossing can keep the crossing active for several minutes just for one, and double if another train crosses when the other finishes.). I mean, yeah, you could turn off to a side road, but you couldn't if a car was blocking you in from the rear... theres a high curbed concrete median up the first crossing on each side. SO, say your buddy darts under the raising gates, only to have them lowered right as hes about the cross the 7 track crossing... would he get flashed? Sure you could fight a ticket, but true comes to it, you should have waited.

Now here another idea, take that same situation, but add an emergency to it. You have an injured or pregnant friend, and you NEED to get to the hospital. I believe then you might get away with it, if you fight the ticket.

I'm sorry Kight, I just enjoy trying to figure out how to get through a just activating crossing without paying a fine.

Cheers,
Joshua

[TrainmanKight]

a red light is a red light, the city is in it for the money mainly and safety is a plus the cameras cost money to fund them the have to catch ppl running the xing instead of hitting the gates. Its photo Enforcement thats there to aware the public of dangers on railroad crossing running

Yes. I can understand that. Perhaps, I should further explain what I had in mind.

I can see if it is a single, double, or even triple track mainline that the cameras should starting flashing people as soon as the gates start, but I have an argument for that...

Blue Island, IL:
http://www.rxrsignals.net/Illinois/A-K/ ... /Broadway/

I've sat track side and saw only four crossing activations... one caught a car still crossing the track when the signals was activated, and gates lowered manually. He did keep up the quad gate that blocked the opposing traffic lane open for the car to race across... but, if there were Red Flex cameras installed there, would it have flashed that black car? After all, it's a pretty scary crossing. Trains approach from almost every angle.

I hope you get my idea. Perhaps it's all void. Perhaps the cameras don't flash cars unless they do dodge gates... However, it would suck if someone was impatient (do keep in mind trains on the crossing can keep the crossing active for several minutes just for one, and double if another train crosses when the other finishes.). I mean, yeah, you could turn off to a side road, but you couldn't if a car was blocking you in from the rear... theres a high curbed concrete median up the first crossing on each side. SO, say your buddy darts under the raising gates, only to have them lowered right as hes about the cross the 7 track crossing... would he get flashed? Sure you could fight a ticket, but true comes to it, you should have waited.

Now here another idea, take that same situation, but add an emergency to it. You have an injured or pregnant friend, and you NEED to get to the hospital. I believe then you might get away with it, if you fight the ticket.

I'm sorry Kight, I just enjoy trying to figure out how to get through a just activating crossing without paying a fine.

Cheers,
Joshua

Yah thats one messed up crossing i know that
the cameras are only triggered if someone crosses the tracks at moving speed 3.5 seconds after the lights start i sorry i dont under stand your situation
however in Australia they will send out tickets to people who stop on the trains(i agree with this) but will also send tickets to people who crossing the tracks when the gates rise (dont agree there)

http://www.watoday.com.au/wa-news/thous ... -olny.html
you can watch the video here

as far as getting out of a ticket, claim you weren't driving your car when it happened. Someone else was then have it be some foreign person and if the camera takes face shots well your screwed unless your in Azorina where they have to give you the ticket personally if you dont answer the door you dont have to pay.

[Robert_Gift]

You send a photocopy of your driver license.
If the photo is not closenough to their photo, you can claim they have insufficient proof that it is you. Never lie.
If someonelse is driving, your photo proves it is not you and citation canceled.
You are not required to identify who IS driving!

On emergency runs, I should put on the novelty fake glasses withick eyebrows, big nose and mustache.
Then they could not prove it was me.

Nonsense giving tickets to those proceeding under risingates.
Warningshould be issued to those who stop on tracks behind others.

[TrainmanKight]

Nonsense giving tickets to those proceeding under risingates.
Warningshould be issued to those who stop on tracks behind others.

for once you and I both agree one something
I agree the first offence of stopping on the track should be a warning, second offence will be a $75 and so forth
and tickets for people who run gates going up, I dont think anything should be done. They'll learn when theres a tail ring and that gate comes right back down nailing their car.

[TrainmanKight]

imo the camera on taylor Ave is probably just for surveillance as thats a Very bad part of St louis, although they might catch a lot of people running the red light down there idk.

well I guess I'm wrong

8/7/2010

[Robert_Gift]

From where did the IDIOT non seat-belt user come?
They can show 10 minutes on Youtube.
I'd like to see the moron get up to discern if the fool had any injuries.
Why not show how long it took PD and EMS, if needed, to arrive?