Mike's Railroad Crossing Forum

gedunk wrote:It's an established fact in this society that a lot of mass killings take place in "gun free" zones. Notice they don't barge into a Police station with guns blazing.

The height of cowardice is to pick helpless victims, and then kill yourself when the real opposition arrives. That's the signature common to these crimes. Pure cowardice.

Thank you Bill, I agree 110 % sadly after instances like this gun control gets shoved down every law abiding gun owners throat.
We don't go after cars that drunk drivers were driving when they kill someone, why do we go after the gun that some nut job was using.

Cars are a lot more highly regulated than guns. Licenses, titles, air bags, seat belts, speed limits... Do they prevent all driving-related deaths? No. How much is it worth to prevent some deaths?...

AndyWS wrote:Cars are a lot more highly regulated than guns. Licenses, titles, air bags, seat belts, speed limits... Do they prevent all driving-related deaths? No. How much is it worth to prevent some deaths?...

I guess you don't own a gun then.
The Brady handgun law was passed to make it more difficult for people the government deems undesirable to obtain guns and other firearms. When the law was passed in the early 1990s, it mandated that a background check be performed on everyone who attempts to purchase a handgun.
Also must have a license and if I want a carry permit I must take a course on gun safety(I guess that's similar to drivers ed(which by the way is not required in all states.)

AndyWS wrote:Cars are a lot more highly regulated than guns. Licenses, titles, air bags, seat belts, speed limits... Do they prevent all driving-related deaths? No. How much is it worth to prevent some deaths?...

I have no trouble at all with licensing and training. But just as there are unlicensed and uninsured drivers, there will be the same with firearms.

No law can stop illegal behavior. If someone is bent on doing something, then mere words are just that: words. The law depends on voluntary compliance - which most do. There simply are not enough police to be everywhere at once.

Making something illegal only stops (or makes criminals of) those who voluntarily comply. Those on the outside of the law don't care, and it creates a scenario where the bad guys know where the unable-to-defend-themselves live. Look at the murder rate in Chicago and other highly restricted areas. Those who stay outside the law know the majority who DO are defenseless. The cops get there in time to make a report and tell the next-of-kin.

In the case of a deranged shooter, the best enforcement is a legally armed populace who can drop the SOB in an instant.

TrainmanKight wrote:

cabman701 wrote:In other crazy news about this shooting... some church group is saying that country singer Carrie Underwood is responsible for this happeneing.

http://www.examiner.com/article/connect ... -underwood

Very touchy subject there cabman, we all have our own opinions on this shit, I'd appreciate it if in the future you don't post anything regarding religion.

My apologies... wasn't trying to say anything regarding religion there. Just the fact that they believe a country music singer is to blame for this. I obviously opened up a huge can of worms here...

gedunk wrote:

AndyWS wrote: In the case of a deranged shooter, the best enforcement is a legally armed populace who can drop the SOB in an instant.

However, on the latter, if the police here that there is an armed man who has fired shots in a building, and they see someone with a gun, they have no idea if they are the shooter or if they are a person who is trying to defend people.

On a lighter note, a local news company is doing a program to send letters to those who are affected in Newtown, CT.
http://whnt.com/2012/12/18/letters-to-n ... nnecticut/

freebrickproductions wrote:

gedunk wrote:

AndyWS wrote: In the case of a deranged shooter, the best enforcement is a legally armed populace who can drop the SOB in an instant.

However, on the latter, if the police here that there is an armed man who has fired shots in a building, and they see someone with a gun, they have no idea if they are the shooter or if they are a person who is trying to defend people.

On a lighter note, a local news company is doing a program to send letters to those who are affected in Newtown, CT.
http://whnt.com/2012/12/18/letters-to-n ... nnecticut/

That's a very valid point, and it highlights the dilema being faced. However, since the Police are very rarely on the scene immediately, it's far more likely the shooting will be well over and done by the time they arrive.

The best course of action would be improved mental health care for those who need it most.

gedunk wrote:

freebrickproductions wrote:

gedunk wrote:

AndyWS wrote: In the case of a deranged shooter, the best enforcement is a legally armed populace who can drop the SOB in an instant.

However, on the latter, if the police here that there is an armed man who has fired shots in a building, and they see someone with a gun, they have no idea if they are the shooter or if they are a person who is trying to defend people.

On a lighter note, a local news company is doing a program to send letters to those who are affected in Newtown, CT.
http://whnt.com/2012/12/18/letters-to-n ... nnecticut/

That's a very valid point, and it highlights the dilema being faced. However, since the Police are very rarely on the scene immediately, it's far more likely the shooting will be well over and done by the time they arrive.

The best course of action would be improved mental health care for those who need it most.

That's part of the reason why city Huntsville has been stationing Police Officers at many middle and high schools.
One of the high schools here is literally right across the street from a police station too.