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Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Sun Feb 08, 2009 9:38 pm
by AndrewFields
I have started this topic to chart the progress on rebuilding the Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad.

For those who don't know or have forgotten, the POTB runs the old SP line over the Coast Range in northwestern Oregon. Completed in 1911, it allows goods to be efficiently transported over the mountains and keeps trucks off the dangerous highways (US-30, US-26 and OR-6) that run between the coast and the Portland area.

In December, 2007, northwestern Oregon was slammed with a record-breaking storm that dumped over five inches of rain, over-saturated the ground and caused widespread flooding. In Washington state, Interstate 5 near Centralia was about 10 feet underwater in some places. :Blink: The POTB took a huge hit. Entire sections of line were washed out as rivers swelled, tunnels became plugged with mud and debris and two bridges were knocked out. Some estimates peg the cost of repairs at $56 million or more and there are no guarantees that it won't happen again. A similar scenario played out in 1996 but all of the repairs and upgrades performed after the '96 storm held in the '07 storm. In January of '08, the POTB was able to inspect the line and realized the damage was far worse than originally feared. Shortly after, they laid off all employees and mothballed their locomotive fleet which includes some of the last EMD SD-9s in actual freight service (instead of just switching). Since then, the line has sat empty, rusting away with the damaged sections still completely unusable.

Because the railroad is part of the actual Port of Tillamook, its funding is extremely limited. Prior to the storm, the railroad's revenue was able to pay for basic upkeep and to keep the payroll of employees going. There was almost no spare cash for upgrades. Needless to say, the POTB does not have the necessary $56 million lying around. The best they can offer right now is $2 million. Thankfully, the Federal Government has already pledged 75% of the cost to rebuild the railroad and the Oregon Governor Ted Kulungoski has stated numerous times that if a bill to rebuild the line is put before him, he will sign it.

Despite this, attempts at repair have languished since the damage occurred. Trucks have taken the place of the trains in hauling lumber over the coast range and all POTB RR employees who were laid off are still without a paycheck.

This historic line is very maintenance-intensive due to its environment and repairs will be difficult due to its extremely remote locations. However there is good news. I spoke with a P&W engineer last week who told me progress is being made to push a POTB RR rescue package through the state senate. If it goes before the Governor, hopefully he will honor his promise and sign it, then things can get swinging again.

Railfans in this area have been biting their nails off for over a year now, waiting to see what the fate of this line will eventually be. Personally, I'm torn. The sensible side of me thinks it's stupid to tear out or abandon a perfectly good railroad that is far more efficient in carrying cargo over the mountains than trucks are. One car load is equal to ten extra trucks on the highways. The other side of me sees that damage like this is inevitable and that the losses should simply be cut. That would be a very sad day, though. I will keep everybody posted on what transpires.

For a view of the railroad before the storm click here. Please note that page was last updated in 2005 and ironically claims "Its future seems secure." How twisted is fate... :OhWell:

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2009 8:06 pm
by AndrewFields
Speak of the devil...

Article from the Tillamook Headlight Herald dated today, February 9th.

In case the story falls off, here it is. Honestly this is a real balancing act. I hope that the Port does not sacrifice long-term stability for short-term gain. All the pieces must fall into place in the right order at the right time. They have my support for rebuilding the line, over and over again.
TILLAMOOK - Given a long list of reasons for rebuilding the devastated Port of Tillamook Bay railroad - reasons ranging from its historical significance to its economic value - it's little wonder the room reserved last week for a public forum to discuss those issues quickly filled.

Port officials said they were both surprised and pleased to see more than 80 citizens show up. A large majority of them voiced strong support for rebuilding the line, severely damaged in the December 2007 winter storm.

But as port staff and commissioners explained during the forum, it will take a lot more than public support to get the job done. It will take more than $12 million.

'It is, unfortunately, all about the money," said Tillamook Lumber plant manager Mark Elston. "We all want it, we all need it...but where is the money going to come from?"

Tillamook Lumber, a division on Hampton Affiliates, has told the port it probably would not pay the car rates it would be forced to pay following restoration. At 46 percent of the rail's shipping volume, Hampton's withdrawal would be huge.

Port manager Michele Bradley said shippers previously had been charged about $600 to $800 per car, depending on the load and destination. An audit by the Oregon Department of Transportation rail division said the port would have to charge $1,400 per car in the future.

While Bradley said the port probably wouldn't push rates quite that high, the increase is still significant at a time when the demand for wood products is way off - when local mills are seeing temporary closures two weeks at a time.

"Gloabally, the rail system is more efficient than trucking," Bradley said. But with the high cost of rebuilding, the years of deferred maintenance that must be accounted for, the recession and availability of trucks today, that's not exactly the case in Tillamook.

"If it was a booming lumber market, it would be different," she said.

And that is still something to think about, the commissioners have noted at recent meetings. Citizens attending the forum agreed. What about in the future, when we crawl out of this recession?

As commission president Jerry Dove put it, the port must consider the county's needs in 50 years. With a rail line, it can better woo tenants to its industrial park. The possibility remains to develop the rail's tourism side. It can keep trucks off the road and save fuel, should it ever become competitive with those trucks again.

In a nutshell, the port must weigh the long-term benefits of the railroad with the short-term financial strain.

To many at the forum, there was no question about the answer. As one man said, to hearty applause, "If we let this railroad get away from us, it will be the biggest mistake in Tillamook County."

Still, the $12-million question remains: "Can we come up with the matching funds?"

The port received an unofficial opinion from the state attorney general's office last week that may be of help. Should the port choose to walk away from the railroad, the AG believes it would become a state liability. Port officials hope that may become incentive for the state to foot part of the bill.

Although there is still no timeline for the commission to make a decision, Dove said he hopes to choose a way forward before he and Bradley travel to Washington, D.C., Feb. 24 in search of federal funding.

Even though FEMA funds, which would pay for 75 percent of the storm repairs, cannot be matched with federal dollars, the money could be used for other maintenance on the tracks, in addition to other areas of the port.

For a full presentation from last week's public forum, download the PowerPoint document from the port's Web site at http://www.potb.org.

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 5:01 am
by AndrewFields
The Port filed for a discontinuance of service... :Curse1: The line is officially mothballed and I highly doubt it will ever come back now. I suspect they will abandon completely within a few years. Here ends an era. :Sad:

http://tillamookheadlightherald.com/mai ... leID=11270
The Port of Tillamook Bay won't rebuild a critical section of its railroad damaged by the December 2007 storm.

And the port has ended freight car service out of its industrial park.

That was decided during a special meeting of the port's commissioners Monday.

The board's unanimous decision was reached a little more than two weeks after a public forum was held by the port, during which support for repairing the railroad was overwhelming.

But port officials insisted serious questions linger about its ability to cover the more than $50-million price tag for repairs.

Since the storm, the port has searched for answers to major questions ranging from "Will the state offer money to help the railroad" to "Will shippers use the railroad once rebuilt?" Commissioners said that waiting game wasn't proving successful in getting answers.

"We haven't been doing anything and that hasn't worked. So we have to do something," said commissioner Ken Bell after moving to suspend rail service.

The port commissioners said they hope to prompt definitive answers from the state, FEMA and the port's shippers regarding funding and other support, liability and future usage now that they've said they aren't moving forward.

But absent funding from out of the blue, freight service has been suspended for the first 45 miles of the 90-mile track - from the port's property south of Tillamook, up Salmonberry Canyon, to rail mile 802 just east of Cochran.

The port did add that it was not abandoning the railroad entirely, thereby retaining the potential for freight service in the future.

Port officials now must file for a rail line discontinuance with the Surface Transportation Board, which requires that agency's approval and a fee, although the fee would be considerably less than an application to abandon the line altogether.

Commissioners went on to say the railroad will still be available for use by passenger railcars and tourism trains such as the Oregon Coast Scenic Railroad, a nonprofit steam train for excursions from Garibaldi to Rockaway Beach. But they noted that without revenue from freight cars, there will be no funds to maintain that coastal stretch of the railroad. So the port expects to have to renegotiate its contract with OCSR and to start charging for use of the rails.

It was at the summit of the railroad's path over the Coast Range - from rail mile 810 at Enright to Cochran - that the tracks were most damaged by the floods, mudslides and winds of the 2007 winter storm. It's that section that won't be repaired.

But not all freight service on the port's railroad has been suspended. Activity on the last one-third of the tracks - from Cochran to Hillsboro, where the rail connects with Class 1 lines - will continue as it has for the past several months.

That section can service Banks Lumber, a rock quarry and railcar storage.

Port officials now say they will use any available FEMA disaster-relief funds for alternative projects. "We have some FEMA money; we have to use it or lose it," said commission president Jerry Dove.

The list of possible alternative projects includes upgrades to the methane digester facility, repairs to existing port offices, a proposed golf course on port property plus a convention center, and a variety of other improvements to its industrial park.

The port also could construct a dual line 4.5 miles long from Banks to Buxton, at rail mile 781, with crossovers for railcar storage.

Josh Balmer with the port's railroad operations division reported that demand for car storage is strong; the port receives calls about it every week, he said. Charging by the car for storage would boost port revenues, said Balmer.

Such alternative projects must be permanent and approved by FEMA to qualify for the funding. The money must be used to expand facilities, construct new-use facilities, purchase equipment or conduct hazard mitigation.

FEMA has offered to cover 75 percent of the cost of storm repairs. Of that 75 percent, 90 percent is available to fund alternative projects.

But the port first must find matching funds for any work it undertakes. Commissioners hope to qualify for a variety of grants, state loans and other sources to come up with the match money.

After the port reached its decision Monday, the commissioners' relief was evident. Several said they've lost considerable sleep in the past 14 months as a solution to the railroad's storm damage remained elusive.

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 1:06 pm
by Smjh1979
Time to go out and get the signals for private collections, including the Banks Wigwag.

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 8:57 pm
by gedunk
One car load is about 3 or so truckloads, not 10. Depends on the commodity.

Still a lot more efficient method of transport though. Sorry to see the line go.

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Sat Feb 21, 2009 10:39 pm
by AndrewFields
There is a pair of gateless 12x20" signals with two teardrop bells on a rural road in the middle of nowhere. I wonder if they might be interested in selling them to me to raise money... :Confused:

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Sun Feb 22, 2009 12:32 am
by Smjh1979
Or how about those brand new, never used 12"x20" gateless signals they put up at Timber, OR?

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Mon Feb 23, 2009 7:10 pm
by AndyWS
AndrewFields wrote:There is a pair of gateless 12x20" signals with two teardrop bells on a rural road in the middle of nowhere. I wonder if they might be interested in selling them to me to raise money... :Confused:
These?

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.7 ... 8051532034

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Tue Feb 24, 2009 9:12 pm
by AndrewFields
AndyWS wrote:
AndrewFields wrote:There is a pair of gateless 12x20" signals with two teardrop bells on a rural road in the middle of nowhere. I wonder if they might be interested in selling them to me to raise money... :Confused:
These?

http://maps.google.com/?ie=UTF8&ll=45.7 ... 8051532034
Yep...those. Good guess! :Clap:

On a sidenote, the Powerball jackpot is up to $150 million. I'm buying a ticket and if I win, I'm donating $40 million to help rebuild. :LOL3:

Re: Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad

Posted: Fri Nov 20, 2009 6:39 pm
by AndrewFields
Apparently this is an issue that simply refuses to die. A Salem-based legal firm has taken up the cause of the POTB in the hopes of rebuilding it and the POTB website now proudly claims, "Our goal is to rebuild in the future - stronger and better than before!". Time will tell if this rings true or not.

Full Story

And in case it falls off the site, here it is....
G. K. (Pat) Patterson
Bay City

President John F. Kennedy said, "Ask not what your country can do for you, but what you can do for your country."

With that thought in mind, Pacific Railway and Navigation Company, Inc., a legal non-profit with corporation papers in Salem, will be starting a campaign to save the Port of Tillamook Bay Railroad. There is an engineering company and a road building company in Tillamook County that have stepped up to offer very important help in rebuilding this section of the Port of Tillamook Bay railroad damaged in 2007.

The companies that can do this work would replace the washed-out section of railroad but would need help to repair the tunnels, get equipment and find skilled employees. We believe the people in Tillamook County will step up to the plate to help save this very important railroad - our past and future.

It is essential to have collaboration among agencies. It helps when agencies at city, county and state levels communicate in such a way as to find common purpose in public projects. In some states, such agencies pool a portion of their property tax receipts so development in one area benefits all.

The full value of the Port of Tillamook Bay railroad has not been completely utilized. In 1996, the port used its equipment, an engine and a passenger car during flooding to carry hundreds of people from the Wilson River bypass to Tillamook. Using the railroad helped keep the Tillamook Cheese Factory and lumber mills to the south in operation during floods, by transporting their employees back and forth.

During emergencies, the railroad could be used as an alternate to U.S. Highway 101. It could be used during medical, flooding and tsunami emergencies. With Tillamook County General Hospital on the south end and the Rinehart Clinic on the north end of the lower-lying areas of the county, the railroad could use the equipment stationed at both ends and in the middle (Garibaldi) to transport patients to safer grounds.

With our new Tillamook Bay Community College campus and the Port of Tillamook Bay railroad and equipment, there could be a course teaching train operations, service, and locomotive operation and maintenance. This would bring more people into our community as a training area.

I believe the people of Tillamook County have enough drive to save our railroad. Anyone else in the northwest inclined to could help, too.