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Re: Australian Railroad Crossing Signals

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TrickyMario7654 wrote: Looks like they'll be cheaping out for years to come as our "friends" at the Andrews Labour Government have renewed Metro's contact to run the system for another seven years, but with tougher monthly targets. I'll guess this will also mean that the bell nazis are to be on our nerves for seven extra years. :Curse1:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-12/m ... rk/8895462
Sigh.... there's gonna be no Hybrid bells left by the time they're done... I hope at the next election, one of the party's come s up with a government by back plan for the suburban network. I heard stories of how wonderful the trains were before privatisation, and just the other week, trains were delayed for over an hour on the Frankston line... I hope they have a huge meltdown (even though they've already had one) and the government says enough is enough and kicks them out!

Btw I just thought of a great A current Affair story called: "Metro trains, waisting thousands of tax payer dollars on pointless "upgrades", while leaving stuff that really needs upgrading to wait".
Metro, why are you so bad at maintaining your railway crossings??
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Username1 wrote:
TrickyMario7654 wrote: Looks like they'll be cheaping out for years to come as our "friends" at the Andrews Labour Government have renewed Metro's contact to run the system for another seven years, but with tougher monthly targets. I'll guess this will also mean that the bell nazis are to be on our nerves for seven extra years. :Curse1:
http://www.abc.net.au/news/2017-09-12/m ... rk/8895462
Sigh.... there's gonna be no Hybrid bells left by the time they're done... I hope at the next election, one of the party's come s up with a government by back plan for the suburban network. I heard stories of how wonderful the trains were before privatisation, and just the other week, trains were delayed for over an hour on the Frankston line... I hope they have a huge meltdown (even though they've already had one) and the government says enough is enough and kicks them out!

Btw I just thought of a great A current Affair story called: "Metro trains, waisting thousands of tax payer dollars on pointless "upgrades", while leaving stuff that really needs upgrading to wait".
I've seen pictures and videos of the suburban rail network from the 1980's and 1990's. Sure would of been a great time for a rail and signal fan. During that period, the suburban trains wore the Green and Yellow MET colors. There were only two models of suburban trains back in the 1990's (not counting the failed 4D Double Decker train), the Hitachi trains (most were replaced with Siemens and X'trapolis trains between 2002-2005 and the last remaining sets were retired in 2013-14), and the Comeng trains (still in service today). They also had cloth seats and carpet. Most V/line passenger trains were loco-hauled and carried an orange and gray paint scheme. As for crossings, there were loads of Teardrop bells, and black and white gates (plus, no e-bells!). Most country crossings with active protection had only lights and bells (gated crossings were rather rare, although they were reasonably common in major towns or lines). Sadly, these days have long passed. :Cry1:

Sadly, I was born in 2001 and missed out on this era. :Awww:

Also, LOL on that ACA story. But seriously, we need to spread the message about how Metro are replacing perfectly good m-bells but not fixing the important stuff.
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TrickyMario7654 wrote:Sadly, I was born in 2001 and missed out on this era. :Awww:
Lol 2001 person here too :cool:
Metro, why are you so bad at maintaining your railway crossings??
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TrickyMario7654 wrote: I've seen pictures and videos of the suburban rail network from the 1980's and 1990's. Sure would of been a great time for a rail and signal fan. During that period, the suburban trains wore the Green and Yellow MET colors. There were only two models of suburban trains back in the 1990's (not counting the failed 4D Double Decker train), the Hitachi trains (most were replaced with Siemens and X'trapolis trains between 2002-2005 and the last remaining sets were retired in 2013-14), and the Comeng trains (still in service today). They also had cloth seats and carpet. Most V/line passenger trains were loco-hauled and carried an orange and gray paint scheme. As for crossings, there were loads of Teardrop bells, and black and white gates (plus, no e-bells!). Most country crossings with active protection had only lights and bells (gated crossings were rather rare, although they were reasonably common in major towns or lines). Sadly, these days have long passed. :Cry1:

Sadly, I was born in 2001 and missed out on this era. :Awww:
You may have missed out on the era but so did many of the people who were around then, simply because most of the things that you mentioned were seen as everyday items and were taken for granted (and quite often were not recorded).

Take teardrop bells for example, there were so many of them that they largely went un-noticed. It's only now that they're almost gone that people notice their absence. Video camera technology was so primitive compared to today, wish I could travel back in time with my current camera.

Apart from the teardrop bells, one thing I really miss is comfortable seats on trains, most of the new seats are hard crappy plastic. Sure some of the old carriages were rattly and had no air conditioning, but at least the seats were comfortable!
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McK&H.Aust wrote:You may have missed out on the era but so did many of the people who were around then, simply because most of the things that you mentioned were seen as everyday items and were taken for granted (and quite often were not recorded).

Take teardrop bells for example, there were so many of them that they largely went un-noticed. It's only now that they're almost gone that people notice their absence. Video camera technology was so primitive compared to today, wish I could travel back in time with my current camera.

Apart from the teardrop bells, one thing I really miss is comfortable seats on trains, most of the new seats are hard crappy plastic. Sure some of the old carriages were rattly and had no air conditioning, but at least the seats were comfortable!
I would of loved to have lived in a time like that, but sadly I didn't. :OhWell:

The Siemens fleet have pretty comfortable seats, but sadly they tend to be ruined by vandals. Thankfully they've since started using more vandal resistant fabric.

On a different note, I discovered something interesting about the Boorhaman Road crossing at Wangaratta.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 312!8i6656

In 2007, this crossing had a Safetran m-bell.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 328!8i1664

Which by 2010, was replaced by a hybrid bell!
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 312!8i6656

Doesn't matter now, as the crossing now has gates and e-bells.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.326 ... 312!8i6656
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TrickyMario7654 wrote: On a different note, I discovered something interesting about the Boorhaman Road crossing at Wangaratta.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 312!8i6656

In 2007, this crossing had a Safetran m-bell.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 328!8i1664

Which by 2010, was replaced by a hybrid bell!
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 312!8i6656

Doesn't matter now, as the crossing now has gates and e-bells.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.326 ... 312!8i6656
Nice discovery with the Safetran bell. It seems that until a few years ago there were lots of them, would be interesting to make a list of the ones that can be found on GSV but it would take ages. I wonder where and when the newest installation of a Safetran bell was before they stopped using them?

Just looking at the North East line on google it's sad to see how many nice crossings and m-bells have disappeared since 2010. Hopefully most of the older existing gated crossings will keep their m-bells for the time being.
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McK&H.Aust wrote:
TrickyMario7654 wrote: On a different note, I discovered something interesting about the Boorhaman Road crossing at Wangaratta.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 312!8i6656

In 2007, this crossing had a Safetran m-bell.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 328!8i1664

Which by 2010, was replaced by a hybrid bell!
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.325 ... 312!8i6656

Doesn't matter now, as the crossing now has gates and e-bells.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-36.326 ... 312!8i6656
Nice discovery with the Safetran bell. It seems that until a few years ago there were lots of them, would be interesting to make a list of the ones that can be found on GSV but it would take ages. I wonder where and when the newest installation of a Safetran bell was before they stopped using them?

Just looking at the North East line on google it's sad to see how many nice crossings and m-bells have disappeared since 2010. Hopefully most of the older existing gated crossings will keep their m-bells for the time being.
I'm currently working on a custom made map listing the locations of Teardrop bells across Australia (including former locations that had them removed over the past 10 or so years). So far I've only started Victoria.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11xwSm ... sp=sharing

I believe that most Safetran bells in Victoria were installed in the late 70's and early 80's. For instance, the crossing at Murrumbeena was installed in 1979 and had Safetran m-bells until around 2010 or 2011.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.890 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.889 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.889 ... 312!8i6656

This crossing in Mitcham was also installed in the same year, and in 2009, it had a Safetran m-bell (mounted on a Teardrop post) and a black Westinghouse hybrid.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.817 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.817 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.817 ... 312!8i6656

Although the crossing was removed in early 2014, it didn't stop Metro from installing e-bells on the crossing a few months earlier!
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.818 ... 312!8i6656

Safetran bells also seemed to have been used as replacement for Teardrop bells in Melbourne for a brief period during this time. As mentioned before, a few crossings in Melbourne had this combo such as this one in Brighton (both bells were replaced not long after this image was taken).
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.918 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.919 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.919 ... 312!8i6656

A couple of 1980's installs had Safetran bells as well (probably because they still had old stock at the time), such as this one in Ringwood East.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.812 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.812 ... 312!8i6656

As for the newest installation of a Safetran bell, this crossing in Northcote actually had one installed between 2007-2009, replacing a hybrid bell!
2007: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 328!8i1664
2009: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 312!8i6656

I'm guessing the hybrid bell died and Connex (who ran the Metropolitan rail network at the time) reused the Safetran bell from another crossing.

Unfortunately, Metro later replaced both bells with e-bells. :TDOWN: :Curse1:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 312!8i6656

This same crossing also had black & white gates back in 2007.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 328!8i1664
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TrickyMario7654 wrote: I'm currently working on a custom made map listing the locations of Teardrop bells across Australia (including former locations that had them removed over the past 10 or so years). So far I've only started Victoria.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=11xwSm ... sp=sharing

I believe that most Safetran bells in Victoria were installed in the late 70's and early 80's. For instance, the crossing at Murrumbeena was installed in 1979 and had Safetran m-bells until around 2010 or 2011.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.890 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.889 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.889 ... 312!8i6656

This crossing in Mitcham was also installed in the same year, and in 2009, it had a Safetran m-bell (mounted on a Teardrop post) and a black Westinghouse hybrid.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.817 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.817 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.817 ... 312!8i6656

Although the crossing was removed in early 2014, it didn't stop Metro from installing e-bells on the crossing a few months earlier!
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.818 ... 312!8i6656

Safetran bells also seemed to have been used as replacement for Teardrop bells in Melbourne for a brief period during this time. As mentioned before, a few crossings in Melbourne had this combo such as this one in Brighton (both bells were replaced not long after this image was taken).
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.918 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.919 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.919 ... 312!8i6656

A couple of 1980's installs had Safetran bells as well (probably because they still had old stock at the time), such as this one in Ringwood East.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.812 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.812 ... 312!8i6656

As for the newest installation of a Safetran bell, this crossing in Northcote actually had one installed between 2007-2009, replacing a hybrid bell!
2007: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 328!8i1664
2009: https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 312!8i6656

I'm guessing the hybrid bell died and Connex (who ran the Metropolitan rail network at the time) reused the Safetran bell from another crossing.

Unfortunately, Metro later replaced both bells with e-bells. :TDOWN: :Curse1:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 312!8i6656
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 312!8i6656

This same crossing also had black & white gates back in 2007.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.768 ... 328!8i1664
Nice work with the teardrop map! Are you only including teardrop bells which can be seen on GSV? Probably not a bad idea otherwise the map would be very cluttered :LOL4:

Thanks for posting the information about the Safetran bells, it's nice to go back and see those classic crossings before they were trashed by Metro.
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McK&H.Aust wrote:Nice work with the teardrop map! Are you only including teardrop bells which can be seen on GSV? Probably not a bad idea otherwise the map would be very cluttered :LOL4:

Thanks for posting the information about the Safetran bells, it's nice to go back and see those classic crossings before they were trashed by Metro.
While were on the subject of Teardrop bells, I just found out that there's another still in service on the Portland line.

It's at Heathmere, on the Princes Highway.
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-38.219 ... 328!8i1664

You can see the full details in the Teardrop locations thread.
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WHO DID THIS HAHA!!! SOMEONE IS STANDING UP FOR US!

https://www.facebook.com/DanielAndrewsM ... 87437532:0
Metro, why are you so bad at maintaining your railway crossings??
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