Australian Railroad Crossing Signals

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RedhenRailcarSAR wrote: Sun Jun 16, 2019 1:04 am Safetran Type 3s seem to appeal to the Railways in Oz more than any other bell, must be because both Safetran and Westinghouse eventually became Siemens, so Siemens has some Aussie heritage technically. I don’t mind the Type 3s but they are starting to get boring and they fail constantly.
Speaking of Safetran Type 3 replacements, A recent video by Victorian Rail Heritage shows that Peak School Rd, Lara still has the dead replacement hybrid. Chris96 reported this to ARTC a few weeks ago but it appears they aren’t doing anything about it. I also heard somewhere that ARTC is going to avoid using Safetran Type 3s in Victoria but then they replaced a bell with another type 3.... though I reckon the replacement hybrid was an excuse to avoid using Type 3s.


It's interesting to hear that ARTC will avoid Safetran Type 3's in the future. When the Ararat to Maryborough railway was being constructed and WCH E-Bells were installed on all of the line's crossings, a signal installer told me that WCH bells were to become the new standard in Victoria. However, shortly after that, all of the WCH bells on the line were replaced with Safetran Type 3's and GS adjusted Type 1's. From what I hear, this was most likely due to the WCH bells not being approved for use in Victoria and the installation company not being aware of it. Since M-Bells can't be used for permanent replacements anymore thanks to Victoria's regulations, the only other options for ARTC are to use GS E-Bells or push for the approval of WCH bells in the state. It'll be interesting to see what happens.
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About ARTC not using Safetran Type 3s, take that with a grain of salt but it seems possible since ARTC has been using WCH bells in NSW instead of Safetran Type 3s recently. I wonder if ARTC will start using WCH bells in SA too since it appears they are approved for use (WCH e bells have been used in SA since at the latest 2008 according to street view, WCH e bells occasionally appeared on Adelaide Metro and it now appears they are the preferred bell on new installations on Adelaide Metro on new installations or bell replacements). I have not come across any WCH e bells on ARTC lines yet, but they may have gone on this crossing https://www.google.com/maps/place/Altma ... 54490e9071 since the bell was dying, and the last footage of it is from May 2018. Between then and now, the bell has probably been replaced.
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RedhenRailcarSAR wrote: Mon Jun 17, 2019 7:12 am About ARTC not using Safetran Type 3s, take that with a grain of salt but it seems possible since ARTC has been using WCH bells in NSW instead of Safetran Type 3s recently. I wonder if ARTC will start using WCH bells in SA too since it appears they are approved for use (WCH e bells have been used in SA since at the latest 2008 according to street view, WCH e bells occasionally appeared on Adelaide Metro and it now appears they are the preferred bell on new installations on Adelaide Metro on new installations or bell replacements). I have not come across any WCH e bells on ARTC lines yet, but they may have gone on this crossing https://www.google.com/maps/place/Altma ... 54490e9071 since the bell was dying, and the last footage of it is from May 2018. Between then and now, the bell has probably been replaced.
It's difficult to make sense of ARTC's bell policy in NSW because there isn't much consistency. All new installations now use WCH e-bells but for simple bell replacements it seems that anything goes. Safetran type 3's are still occasionally used for bell replacements, as are WCH m-bells and Westinghouse hybrids.

ARTC in Victoria seem to have different attitudes towards m-bells depending on which line they're on. The North East, Oaklands and Portland lines still have a reasonable amount of m-bells, while the Melbourne - Adelaide line has almost none, try making sense of that!

I suspect that ARTC will continue using Safetran type 3's in Victoria and South Australia but obviously would like to be wrong. I believe they have some kind of built in monitoring device which can detect if the bell is actually sounding or if the signal has been knocked over, so maybe they are making use of that capability, or maybe not :LOL3:
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Odd finds with the WA lights in SA and all the stuff surrounding the safetran type 3. Speaking of bells , I’ve been think about how many mechanical bells are in Victoria. I’ve worked out that there are only 28 teardrop bells left in Victoria. If the one at boort is still there it would be 29. That is counting tourist railways and abandoned crossings. That’s pretty sad. 3 of those are cast iron . At least 5 are Westinghouse. So 1 on the north east line, one at Yarrawonga, 5 on the Portland line. Puffing Billy has 11 , VGR has 1 , Mornington railway has 2 . 6 on disused railways and one at Cunningham pier .

There’s only 9 WCH bells . VGR has 1 , 2 on the portland line , 3 on puffing Billy and 3 in West Melbourne.

There’s only 3 safetran mechanical bells that I know of unless the one at banarwartha is still the it’s 4. The one at Heywood and the 2 at the Caribbean gardens .

The WABCO is the worst with the one at the Caribbean gardens that doesn’t work and the one at Donald that barley gets used.
The only other one is at the emerald junk yard which is probably from derby road Maryborough.
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Applehead137 wrote: Wed Jun 19, 2019 6:53 am Odd finds with the WA lights in SA and all the stuff surrounding the safetran type 3. Speaking of bells , I’ve been think about how many mechanical bells are in Victoria. I’ve worked out that there are only 28 teardrop bells left in Victoria. If the one at boort is still there it would be 29. That is counting tourist railways and abandoned crossings. That’s pretty sad. 3 of those are cast iron . At least 5 are Westinghouse. So 1 on the north east line, one at Yarrawonga, 5 on the Portland line. Puffing Billy has 11 , VGR has 1 , Mornington railway has 2 . 6 on disused railways and one at Cunningham pier .

There’s only 9 WCH bells . VGR has 1 , 2 on the portland line , 3 on puffing Billy and 3 in West Melbourne.

There’s only 3 safetran mechanical bells that I know of unless the one at banarwartha is still the it’s 4. The one at Heywood and the 2 at the Caribbean gardens .

The WABCO is the worst with the one at the Caribbean gardens that doesn’t work and the one at Donald that barley gets used.
The only other one is at the emerald junk yard which is probably from derby road Maryborough.
That’s cool you are working out how many m bells are left in Victoria, I am trying to do the same for SA, though it’s sad to see the dwindling numbers of m bells, especially the teardrops. SA has 2 teardrops left (after 1 got replaced at the NRM, the Teardrop probably got stolen since NRM has regular theft issues unfortunately) and 1 is cast iron, plus both are not in good condition. The NRM one was the only one in decent condition. However, you know that NRM bell pile vacbag mentioned? If I can get footage of it, then this means I can add more teardrops to the list.
From my findings so far, nearly all m bells left in SA is actually the rarest version of the WCH 333 Bell, the one with the WRRS style base! There are actually only 9 Double Mount ones. There is also a WRRS bell, and of course, the FS bell. At the moment, I am close to finishing my findings, I think I may be done actually. Here is a list of m bells left in SA.
The Birkenhead bridge (a bridge that opens up for boats) has 4 double mount WCH bells, Marion Road, Plympton has 2 and the Tailem Bend Railway Museum has 1.
As for tourist railways (there are really only 2 tourist railways in SA, the rest are miniature railways) Steamranger has 5 m bells (3 WCH, 1 FS and 1 unknown) and Pichi Richi has presumably 2 WCH bells. (Which still exist according to recent videos)
The abandoned Mt Gambier Line has 3 WCH bells, the abandoned Rosewater loop line has 2 Double Mount WCH bells, 2 WCH WRRS Base Bells, and 1 WRRS Bells, and the abandoned Leigh Creek Line has 2 WCH bells (they may have been replaced or stolen by now).
The NRM (not including the bell pile since it’s not exactly confirmed yet) currently has 2 Safetran bells, and a WRRS bell in operation.
A Bluescope siding in Wingfield has a WCH bell, this bell is still here according to Mck&h Aust who filmed the crossing recently.
Some recent M bell losses include the Teardrop at the NRM, the Alexandrina Rd, Currency Creek/Canoe Tree Crossing, and the Hawker St, Ovingham which was the last Crossing on the Adelaide Metro Network (not including trams) that had m bells.
So it looks like there are approximately 30 m bells left in SA, this means they are not going to last long, so I am getting my footage of them while I can. If you are visiting from another state, I recommend you get your footage of them too.
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It’s cool that your doing that as well. Another thing I found out is that there are two signals on display at the Donald lions park and they both have teardrops. So that’s 30 teardrops. Also there’s the safetran bell at Seymour station so 4 of those bells. Level crossing fan posted a video showing his cousins making the Wabco at Donald sound . Anyway if anyone else knows anymore locations of Teardrops, safetrans , or WCH . Please post it here so I can add it too my list .
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So I have arrived at Altmanns Rd, Balhannah (or Mt Barker Junction) and the Safetran Type 1 is still there :TUP1: plus it still works! :Grin: I am going to visit this place again to do more filming soon.
Also for those who don’t know, that’s Australia’s only remaining Safetran Type 1.
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Applehead137 wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:01 am It’s cool that your doing that as well. Another thing I found out is that there are two signals on display at the Donald lions park and they both have teardrops. So that’s 30 teardrops. Also there’s the safetran bell at Seymour station so 4 of those bells. Level crossing fan posted a video showing his cousins making the Wabco at Donald sound . Anyway if anyone else knows anymore locations of Teardrops, safetrans , or WCH . Please post it here so I can add it too my list .


There's also a Teardrop on display at Sunshine Roofing Tiles, along with a black Hybrid bell, Eagle traffic lights and other old equipment:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.774 ... 312!8i6656

RedhenRailcarSAR wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:50 am So I have arrived at Altmanns Rd, Balhannah (or Mt Barker Junction) and the Safetran Type 1 is still there :TUP1: plus it still works! :Grin: I am going to visit this place again to do more filming soon.
Also for those who don’t know, that’s Australia’s only remaining Safetran Type 1.


That's great to hear the bell is still there! Does it sound any better or any worse from when McK&H Aust visited?
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chris96 wrote: Sun Jun 23, 2019 12:45 am
Applehead137 wrote: Fri Jun 21, 2019 7:01 am It’s cool that your doing that as well. Another thing I found out is that there are two signals on display at the Donald lions park and they both have teardrops. So that’s 30 teardrops. Also there’s the safetran bell at Seymour station so 4 of those bells. Level crossing fan posted a video showing his cousins making the Wabco at Donald sound . Anyway if anyone else knows anymore locations of Teardrops, safetrans , or WCH . Please post it here so I can add it too my list .


There's also a Teardrop on display at Sunshine Roofing Tiles, along with a black Hybrid bell, Eagle traffic lights and other old equipment:
https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-37.774 ... 312!8i6656

RedhenRailcarSAR wrote: Sat Jun 22, 2019 1:50 am So I have arrived at Altmanns Rd, Balhannah (or Mt Barker Junction) and the Safetran Type 1 is still there :TUP1: plus it still works! :Grin: I am going to visit this place again to do more filming soon.
Also for those who don’t know, that’s Australia’s only remaining Safetran Type 1.


That's great to hear the bell is still there! Does it sound any better or any worse from when McK&H Aust visited?
It sounds the same, still sounds a bit crap and quiet, but its not too bad. At least its not like this NEG bell that failed and it ended up sounding exactly like a japanese bell.
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Just discovered that the McCallum St crossing at Swan Hill was upgraded with gates last weekend (June 21 - 24) https://www.google.com.au/maps/@-35.338 ... 312!8i6656 so it's RIP to another teardrop bell :Awww:

Sadly the semaphore and searchlight signals at Swan Hill were also replaced by new signals and thus another nice country station has been "modernized". The upgrade is detailed in this document beginning on page 23 and there is also a new signalling diagram on the last page http://www.railsws.com.au/s/WON-25-2019.pdf
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