Just the mast. All RACO bells have a cast-on 4 inch base, so anytime a RACO bell is installed on a 5 inch mast like that, it has to have an adapter. 1st Generation Safetrans also featured a cast-on 4 inch base, though 2nd Generation Safetrans had their cast-on base upgraded to 5 inches.flat train wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:48 pm Ok sorry. They were 2 different bells so I thought i would post 2. Also, I know this is a raco bell but some have a double base, and some have a single base. is this a generation thing or a pole thing?
Single base https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9892619 ... 384!8i8192
Double base https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9901609 ... 384!8i8192.
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What type of bell?
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Re: What type of bell?
Raco bells never had their bases changed. They retained the same base that the griswold mechanical bells had. I wonder why safetran changed their bases on their bells when they started producing them.flat train wrote: Thu Jan 30, 2020 4:48 pm Ok sorry. They were 2 different bells so I thought i would post 2. Also, I know this is a raco bell but some have a double base, and some have a single base. is this a generation thing or a pole thing?
Single base https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9892619 ... 384!8i8192
Double base https://www.google.com/maps/@33.9901609 ... 384!8i8192.
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Re: What type of bell?
I wonder too. I guess they just wanted a new design.
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For the RACO to 1st Gen Safetran, I suspect that it was done to simplify the design of the base, as the RACO/Griswold bells have a pretty stylized base compared to the Safetran bells.
From the 1st Gen Safetrans to the 2nd Gen ones, I suspect it was done to give the bells a 5 inch base, as the 1st Gen ones featured a cast-on 4 inch base that required an adapter to mount on a 5 inch mast (much like the RACO/Griswold bells).
From the 1st Gen Safetrans to the 2nd Gen ones, I suspect it was done to give the bells a 5 inch base, as the 1st Gen ones featured a cast-on 4 inch base that required an adapter to mount on a 5 inch mast (much like the RACO/Griswold bells).
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Re: What type of bell?
Oh I understand. When do you think the first griswold bell was made? Also I found this and it looks very strangefreebrickproductions wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:01 pm For the RACO to 1st Gen Safetran, I suspect that it was done to simplify the design of the base, as the RACO/Griswold bells have a pretty stylized base compared to the Safetran bells.
From the 1st Gen Safetrans to the 2nd Gen ones, I suspect it was done to give the bells a 5 inch base, as the 1st Gen ones featured a cast-on 4 inch base that required an adapter to mount on a 5 inch mast (much like the RACO/Griswold bells).
https://archive.org/details/BryantZincR ... 3/mode/2up
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Re: What type of bell?
Griswold operated as signal manufacturers from 1923 until around 1964, when they merged with Railroad Accessories Corporation (RACO)flat train wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:11 pmOh I understand. When do you think the first griswold bell was made? Also I found this and it looks very strangefreebrickproductions wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:01 pm For the RACO to 1st Gen Safetran, I suspect that it was done to simplify the design of the base, as the RACO/Griswold bells have a pretty stylized base compared to the Safetran bells.
From the 1st Gen Safetrans to the 2nd Gen ones, I suspect it was done to give the bells a 5 inch base, as the 1st Gen ones featured a cast-on 4 inch base that required an adapter to mount on a 5 inch mast (much like the RACO/Griswold bells).
https://archive.org/details/BryantZincR ... 3/mode/2up
I don't precisely know when they produced EM mechs, maybe around the late 1950's to the early 1960's, that's when i assume the Griswold bell was first used, could be wrong though.
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Re: What type of bell?
What about the rotating banner signal? When did griswold first produced it?NathanFromEngland wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:47 amGriswold operated as signal manufacturers from 1923 until around 1964, when they merged with Railroad Accessories Corporation (RACO)flat train wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:11 pmOh I understand. When do you think the first griswold bell was made? Also I found this and it looks very strangefreebrickproductions wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:01 pm For the RACO to 1st Gen Safetran, I suspect that it was done to simplify the design of the base, as the RACO/Griswold bells have a pretty stylized base compared to the Safetran bells.
From the 1st Gen Safetrans to the 2nd Gen ones, I suspect it was done to give the bells a 5 inch base, as the 1st Gen ones featured a cast-on 4 inch base that required an adapter to mount on a 5 inch mast (much like the RACO/Griswold bells).
https://archive.org/details/BryantZincR ... 3/mode/2up
I don't precisely know when they produced EM mechs, maybe around the late 1950's to the early 1960's, that's when i assume the Griswold bell was first used, could be wrong though.
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1927, needless to say there's only a couple still out on the job.Nascar Fan007 wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 1:04 pmWhat about the rotating banner signal? When did griswold first produced it?NathanFromEngland wrote: Sat Feb 08, 2020 5:47 amGriswold operated as signal manufacturers from 1923 until around 1964, when they merged with Railroad Accessories Corporation (RACO)flat train wrote: Fri Feb 07, 2020 12:11 pmOh I understand. When do you think the first griswold bell was made? Also I found this and it looks very strangefreebrickproductions wrote: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:01 pm For the RACO to 1st Gen Safetran, I suspect that it was done to simplify the design of the base, as the RACO/Griswold bells have a pretty stylized base compared to the Safetran bells.
From the 1st Gen Safetrans to the 2nd Gen ones, I suspect it was done to give the bells a 5 inch base, as the 1st Gen ones featured a cast-on 4 inch base that required an adapter to mount on a 5 inch mast (much like the RACO/Griswold bells).
https://archive.org/details/BryantZincR ... 3/mode/2up
I don't precisely know when they produced EM mechs, maybe around the late 1950's to the early 1960's, that's when i assume the Griswold bell was first used, could be wrong though.
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Re: What type of bell?
Link gives me an error.flat train wrote: Sun Feb 09, 2020 7:41 pm What about this bell,
https://archive.org/details/BryantZincR ... 3/mode/2up
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